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    Angry The Starfire dragon



    Hello, I know a lot of people may have already complained about this, but I'm here to talk about it once more. The Starfire dragon is one of the most beautiful dragon, or is the most beautiful for me at least in the game. However, the time you grind for the dragon takes so long that it would takes months, if not, a year or two!

    We understand that you wanted to make the dragon harder to obtain, but the chances of the egg fragment dropping is like 1 out of 1,000,000. No exaggeration, I have been grinding the Shadow Towers since day 1 since the dragon came out, and ever since then, finally, yesterday I got ONE egg fragment. And I run a lot of shadow towers, and when I get the chance to, I stay up all day and night to farm for the dragon.

    After all those days without sleep, wasted time, and drinking red bull I only got one. And I need a hundred. It would be nice if you guys could lower the fragments to 5 if you want it at this 1 out of 1,000,000 chances of the fragment dropping, or to 50 and increase the chances of the egg fragment dropping. At least 10-15 per hour, not 1 per month or two.

    You may be thinking, it would be no problem at all since there are Golden Dragon Effigys. But you are entirely wrong, it's hard to get the Effigys for mid-game and/or free to play players like me. We solely rely on our grinding, and it's pretty hard to grind if we're not even extremely end game like those players on 30k pr and above, and those who have spent $100 on every single deal the Devs have put on the store. where those players could get anything, or even everything they want while we spend hours, days, weeks, and months farming for 1 stupid dragon out of 26 in the whole game.

    And that's not just the problem, it's for every other dragon too. Asking for 100 fragments and getting a single fragment would be like winning the lottery, and it's extremely annoying, and is taking the fun away from the game. Instead of seeing us progress, it's like we're going no where grinding our time away when we could be doing better things.

    I just hope the Devs would understand what the WHOLE COMMUNITY has to go through for the items they put in and not just the big names that pour their bank account into this mmorpg voxel game.

    Also please note I do not fully understand the forums, my apologies if I posted this on the wrong thread.


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    While I agree that the Starfire dragon is hard to farm for, I disagree that ALL dragons are this hard/difficult to get fragments for. Just last night I was farming Sunlight bulbs for my alts, and the one account got 32 fragments in 2 hours time frame, This is within your desired drop rate of 10-15 per hour. When I was farming for Sagely blues scales on a Friday, I averaged 25 an hour. The ore dragons are even easier.

    With the Crystal update they changed the locations that you can get Starfire fragments. Have you been farming elites in Geode topside? I have gotten a hand full of Starfire fragments from the Elites in topside with my casual killing of them during my normal game play. I was not farming them.

    I have all but 3 dragons. I have a Patron Sub, and I have not spent hundreds of dollars on each pack in the game. (Most are $20 by the way. Did you even check?). nor do I pour my bank account into gaming. Seriously, your over exaggeration is not helping your argument in my mind, rather it made me want to take a counter point to your argument because of the generalization and exaggerations that you used.

    MMO's are time wasters. They are designed to waste your time. That is what they are supposed to do. I call it entertainment time. So if you are complaining about wasting your time, you get no sympathy from me.


    In summary, I think you need to seek counseling for your gaming addiction if you really are loosing sleep over a game. I was addicted to gaming in the past, but now it is a choice that I make instead of a need. I don't need to game at night. (Some nights I dont) I agree that the Starfire (and only starfire) fragments are hard to farm along with Binding Darkness for some accounts. I don't agree that the rest of the dragons are hard to farm. Some like the ore dragons are very easy to farm for.

    Note: in my book I do not think that time=hard. Baby steps every day add up over time.

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    Agree, I play on the Xbox and have yet to get a star fire egg fragment. Even on Fridays. Another tedious one to get is the bubble dragon one with all the fish required (100 eggs, 1800 fish). I just got it a couple of weeks ago and it is very time consuming to get also

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkphoenix5747 View Post
    Another tedious one to get is the bubble dragon one with all the fish required (100 eggs, 1800 fish). I just got it a couple of weeks ago and it is very time consuming to get also
    You will definitely get this dragon before the 15,000 fish caught badge, which makes it okay.
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    I think all dragons need to be individual. Not 100 fragments for ALL Dragons, but different amounts based on their difficulty to attain. Not all the ore dragons are easy. The Ice dragon is like the starfire dragon for me, a dragon I have chalked-up as "another dragon I'll never have" lol.



    I've mined thousands of glass shards on dragon days, and after a month I only had 2 Ice dragon fragments. Forget it. The preserver dragon has been my focus for many months, but I have only 41 of his fragments after 6 months or so. Insane! I did the bubble dragon on gathering days and eventually got it done, but I did pay flux for the last 500 jadefins. Only took 3 months. Also Insane!


    My efforts are weakening, as is my interest in grinding for them. Some of the dragons I think need to be re-assessed are:


    (in order of difficulty)


    -Starfire
    -Spinner

    -Honey Bee
    -Ice dragon
    -Preserver


    There may be others, but those dragons, I believe, need to have either drop-rates increased, or required fragments reduced. eg:




    -Starfire 5 fragments

    -Spinner 10 fragments

    -Honey Bee 15 fragments
    -Ice dragon 25 fragments
    -Preserver 50 fragments

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    Well...I'm personally torn as to what to say.

    On the one hand: Yeah, Starfire fragments are at such a low droprate - it's to the point where many players would rather get it via golden dragon effigy or a golden starfire egg. Very very few players actually grind out the 100 Starfire fragments. Clearly this isn't on par with most of the other dragons.

    On the other hand: Of course we all want to have and do things, but the value of our accomplishments generally lines up with how difficult we perceive it to be. In my opinion it's okay to have a few really-hard-to-get things if their impact on a player's gameplay/goals isn't substantial. And at least some people would feel rather insulted if their "lofty" goals suddenly became easier for other people to do (hence why some people have a disdain for how their Stellar gear is no longer valued nearly as much as it once was).

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    Overall I'd probably say Starfire fragments could afford to drop just a hair more. Dragons do affect gameplay enough, and it feels kinda bleh if the only "reasonable" ways to get them involve someone spending money.

    I'd also second that Bubble fragments are much harder to get enough of after being changed to a 100-fragment recipe. 5 fragments was practically a joke to get back then, but changing it to 100 with no perceptible increase in the rates doesn't really feel all that great. I'd at least propose slightly tweaking it to allow the Bubble Dragon fragments to show up in addition to the normal catch.

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    Most other dragons are okay how they are, though the time-gate on some of them might come off as ridiculous to less patient players (e.g. Moonsilver).

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    How much is a handful?

    Please tell me how much is a handful?

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    its definitely hard to farm but just because you want that one the most doesn't mean it should be easier. I prioritized farming all the easier ones and left the hardest ones to dragon effigies to obtain. it sucks but it's just part of the game. making it easier would be a huge slap in the face to all the people who worked hard to obtain it already. at least they split up the fragments so you can actually feel some progress towards it as before you could go forever and see nothing and wonder if you were even farming the right stuff. anyway, I think if you want it that bad... you gotta go through what everyone else went through to get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by NobodyReally View Post
    -Starfire
    -Spinner

    -Honey Bee
    -Ice dragon
    -Preserver
    The Spinner and Bee dragon fragments can be easily obtained doing shadow tower floors with bees or spiders on it; that way the drop chance is better due to the number and place of enemies being constant instead of looking for them randomly in other biomes.

    And there are also other options if you don't want to farm them a) Save the free Effigy from mastery b) Buy the Dragon Weekly Deal which has an Effigy too (can be bought with credits=credit pouches=flux) c) Buy the golden egg directly in the marketplace

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    Aside from the Starfire Dragon; which is a legitimate concern, every other statement made is a bit of an over-exaggeration. I can see a lot of your frustrations show, namely here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Galactius202 View Post


    You may be thinking, it would be no problem at all since there are Golden Dragon Effigys. But you are entirely wrong, it's hard to get the Effigys for mid-game and/or free to play players like me. We solely rely on our grinding, and it's pretty hard to grind if we're not even extremely end game like those players on 30k pr and above, and those who have spent $100 on every single deal the Devs have put on the store. where those players could get anything, or even everything they want while we spend hours, days, weeks, and months farming for 1 stupid dragon out of 26 in the whole game.

    This just simply isn't true. You don't have to rely on the effigy for any Dragon whatsoever, not even Starfire. You don't need a high PR to demonstrate your knowledge of the game. There are plenty of people who may reach late game content real quick but they still haven't mastered all the ins and outs. I have multiple +30K Classes and I'm still learning new things.

    You can very much earn 1 dragon a week, it's really not that difficult. Fragments for many dragons may take a while to earn, sure. But it's not anywhere nearly as bad as you claim it is. One other dragon I see brought up often is the glacial shard dragon, Wyntegra. Many claim that grinding glacial shards take forever and that the drop rate is very low. No to both of those. I easily farmed the fragments on dragon day and it only took about 6-8 hours tops. Not even half a day. Mind you this is without patron. Another is the Sagely Blue Scale dragon. Not very difficult to obtain. You can easily get it done in a few hours on Friday too. And while you're doing that one, you can earn fiery feathers as well and essentially knock out two mounts in one go.

    Shadow Tower is also a classic way to earn other fragments such as Kami, Spinner, and Honeybreeze. Best case scenario, you're essentially taking out 3 dragons in one swoop.

    Hell, you even get 1 Golden Dragon Effigy completely free of charge just for hitting rank 250 on mastery, which is extremely easy. Any smart player will save up that effigy for Starfire.

    If dragon coins are an issue; which is what most people actually struggle with rather than fragments, well you still have plenty of options to get more.

    Such options include:

    Dragon Hoard Deposition (15 DC's a week) - Viable.
    Dragon Coin Digest (25 DC's a week) - Viable.
    Hourly Challenges (5 DC's from daily and 1 thereafter or 15 from daily and 3 thereafter on dragon day. 2 Caches per challenge, 6 on dragon day) - Very Viable.
    Store Bought Coins (5 DC's for 750 Cubits that can be bought as often as you'd like) - Viable.
    Dragon Coin Boosts (Can be bought with credits or flux if converting to credit pouches) - Somewhat Impractical.
    Greater Dragon Caches (Can be bought with credits or flux if converting to credit pouches) - Somewhat Impractical and Costly.
    Dragon Weekly Deal (Can be bought with credits or a very large amount of flux if converting to credit pouches) - Very Impractical, High Cost / High Reward.

    You see? Plenty of options and 4 of them are completely free to play, with the other 3 needing either a lot of grind or an actual card.

    You don't have to invest a single cent into the game in order to progress. I was already earning 1 dragon a week at around 15K ish PR, it's really not as difficult as you make it out to be.

    If all of this still isn't enough for you, you can always grind the game away and just buy golden dragon eggs if possible. Expensive? Sure, but it's a one time purchase and you've got that specific dragon done. Just move onto the next one from there.
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